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sdsalsero Posts:3
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| 05/05/2008 3:48 PM |
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I finally had a chance to see Tift in concert about a week ago, at the Anthology 'jazz dinner club' here in San Diego. She played my wife's favorite song but not mine, "Late Night Pilgrim." Now, I realize that it was from her previous album so I was disappointed but not surprised. Then I bought her concert DVD from the previous album and "Late Night Pilgrim" isn't there either.
Is this song just not popular? |
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admin Posts:520

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| 05/05/2008 5:47 PM |
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I really like "Late Night Pilgrim", but then again, there isn't a song on Tambourine that I don't like. The only song off Tambourine that I'm not crazy about, and I hope this isn't blashphemy, is "Laid A Highway". I still like it, it's just probably the one I'm least crazy about. The song that made me an instant Tift fan was "Good Hearted Man". Another great, great song off Tambourine is "Easy to Change". I think, although I'm not sure, that "Easy to Change" was a bonus track. Some who bought the CD in stores may not have it.
I think Forrest may have brought up in another thread how rare it is to hear "Trouble Over Me". Now that I would definitely like to hear live. It's kind of ironic because at my first Tift show, Schuba's in Chicago May 2005, I didn't know many of the songs off Bramble Rose. Someone in the audience asked Tift during the show if she was going to play some of those songs, and I think she did. I just don't remember if "Trouble Over Me" was played.
Isn't it great to like a singer who after only 3 albums would require a double disc set for her greatest hits? |
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Phillip Reid Posts:1581

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| 05/06/2008 4:58 AM |
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| I LOVE Late Night Pilgrim. In fact I was sorely tempted to ask her to play a totally rocked-out rendition of it on this tour--I am helping put together her Wilmington concert in August, and I still may, for that one. (If you're being bad and lurking again, girl, you've been warned.) |
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Shug Posts:194

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| 05/06/2008 8:04 AM |
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Hell, no, sdsalsero, this song is not not popular! In fact, I was listening to a live version from Tractor Tavern, Seattle 2005 on the Tambourine tour and I was impressed how much it rocked, I had kind of forgotten.
There is a live version in the downloads section, but I can't remember if its acoustic or full band. Phillip, if the version we already have in the downloads section is acoustic, would you do a nice thing for sdsalsero and post the full band version from Seattle 2005?
And how about putting up Easy To Change as well. I've never heard that song. I think David Kennedy mentioned it awhile back, but I never did track it down. Chris, more details please!
rock on, y'all. |
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Mack Daddy #7 "Some like their water shallow, I like mine deep" -Chris Robinson |
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admin Posts:520

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| 05/06/2008 8:29 AM |
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I would love if we could put "Easy to Change" up there, but I doubt that we can. I think it's an iTunes bonus track, so we could get into a heap of mighty trouble. If you have iTunes, you can get "Easy to Change" for just 99 cents. It's one of my favorite Tift tunes, which says a lot. Speaking of bonus tracks, you can also get "Heart Run Wild" from Another Country on iTunes. |
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Mitch Kokai Posts:203

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| 05/06/2008 10:25 AM |
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This discussion of "Late Night Pilgrim" brings up an interesting topic that might be worth exploring here or in another thread. If anyone feels like having an extended discussion, feel free to start that new thread. TM's interviews for "Another Country" subtly suggest that "Tambourine" might have had some tracks she could have lived without. She never comes out and says it, but she implies that some songs (or at least certain arrangements of songs) ended up on that album because of pressure from the label. I would never ask her to confirm this. That would be like asking a mom, "Which of your kids do you not really like that much?" But I've wondered whether the set list omissions on this tour signal which "Tambourine" songs were included more for "hit potential," "Nashville sound," or some other niche foisted on TM by her Lost Highway overseers. Any thoughts from those with a closer connection to T, Z, and friends? |
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Shug Posts:194

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| 05/06/2008 10:35 AM |
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Posted By admin on 05/06/2008 8:29 AM
I would love if we could put "Easy to Change" up there, but I doubt that we can. I think it's an iTunes bonus track, so we could get into a heap of mighty trouble.
If you have iTunes, you can get "Easy to Change" for just 99 cents. It's one of my favorite Tift tunes, which says a lot. Speaking of bonus tracks, you can also get "Heart Run Wild" from Another Country on iTunes.
Understood. Once I get iTunes capable, I will get that track, happy to pay for it, just wish it were more easily accessible for those of us stuck in the dark ages!
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Mack Daddy #7 "Some like their water shallow, I like mine deep" -Chris Robinson |
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tmiller9us Posts:38
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| 05/06/2008 12:44 PM |
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Not too mention Heart Is Wild, an Itunes only track left over from Another Country. I've resisted the pull of Itunes successfully so far but now I have to cave in, for Tift I'll pay .99 a song anyday, the B&N exclusive was well worth it just for Harder Feeling alone, which could have made itself right at home on Tambourine next to Late Night Pilgrim - thought I was rambilin' there but I tied it together to the thread! I have a deep, deep love for LNP, and don't think that Tift has any mixed feelings about this one. I found an old radio interview with UNC radio station in 2004 where she talks about how she was inspired to write LNP by stories about her grandfather, a wildcatter (oil prospector) in Texas who she imagines as James Dean in the old classic Giant, the connection she felt with him has to do with following impossible dreams, such as making it big in the music biz. It's a great interview, link is http://www.ibiblio.org/wunc_archives/sot/?p=42 I was disappointed that LNP wasn't on the Austin City limits dvd or in the set list, but neither is Wait It Out or Shadow. I highly recommend downloading all of the Acoustic Tambourine files, LNP is played with Brad on acoustic slide, very sweet and you can watch the whole acoustic session on the KCRW archives too. Tom |
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Mack-Daddy #14 "Got to get up again and let the light in Throw your tears away That mountain looks so high It's just a shadow in the way" |
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sdsalsero Posts:3
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| 05/06/2008 3:19 PM |
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Mitch, re possible unfavored-songs, I would vote for "Your Love Made A U-Turn" ... I've never liked that song. It's too 'cute'.
Thanks for the hint about the Downloads section. I listened to the acoustic version of LNP and Tift really struggled with the vocals. Maybe there's no copy of it the DVD because she didn't get a good recording/performance, and maybe it's the same reason it's missing from her current set?

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Phillip Reid Posts:1581

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| 05/07/2008 6:26 AM |
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We do indeed have a hard-rocking full-band download of LNP live on the Downloads page--enjoy! T didn't write U-Turn--it's about forty-five years old or something. She loved to play it live though. She has said more than once that Tamb was a much more challenging record to sing than this one. And your voice gets deeper as you get older so it will just get harder to do some of those; same with some of the BR songs. Don't know what discussions went on about which tracks to put on Tamb. Someone should ask her sometime. |
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Shug Posts:194

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| 05/07/2008 10:50 AM |
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Phillip, I may be wrong, but all I found is the MSN sessions acoustic version of Late Night Pilgrim and then the electric duo (Tift on piano, Brad on guitar) version of Late Night Pilgrim in the downloads section, but no full-band version. That full band version from Seattle 2005 really rocks, can you put that one up there, too? As for speculations about why there aren't more songs from Tambourine on this tour, I'd guess its just because Tift wants to play so many songs from the new record. If shows are about 15 songs, and she plays 9 or 10 from Another Country, that only leaves 5 or 6 songs other songs to cover Bramble Rose, Tambourine, and anything else. There just isn't room in the set for more stuff from Tambourine unless the shows got longer or she played less from AC, which is unlikely. I'm also guessing that because Tift probably feels that her newest songs represent where she's at right now, and because she feels like some of her older songs are ones that she would not write today (she told me she thought Sunday was very long and that it showed a lack of editing skill as a songwriter, although I disagree) she probably feels less comfortable singing some of these older songs than her newer stuff. Its pretty clear that the extroverted soul-shouting of Tambourine is just not where she's at as an artist right now (she's said Another Country is like a quiet invitation to have an intimate one-on-one conversation rather than a loud exuberent exhortion), so its no surprise that she's doing a quiet version of Good Hearted Man and has left out Tambourine, Shadow In The Way and U Turn altogether on this tour. I think of LNP and Stray Paper to be kind of heartland roots rock and again, stylistically, its just not where she's at right now. Personally, I miss the rocking and the soul-shouting and I hope it comes back one day, but I'm along for the ride no matter what the style. |
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Mack Daddy #7 "Some like their water shallow, I like mine deep" -Chris Robinson |
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Mitch Kokai Posts:203

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| 05/07/2008 11:27 AM |
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Shug,
Thank you for your comments. I agree with you completely in your assessment of why TM and band are playing five or six Tambourine tracks each night and an even smaller number of tunes from Bramble Rose. There are time (and voice strength) limitations on playing too many songs at each gig.
It's entirely probable that I was unclear in my earlier comments. Instead of focusing on the number of Tambourine tracks performed, I was trying to focus on the basis TM used to choose the Tambourine tracks that would make the cut. Are there any songs from that album that are unlikely to make it into a concert at all? If so, does that say anything about what TM thinks of those songs?
You offer a very plausible explanation for the omissions. She might believe certain Tambourine tracks just don't fit as well with the current material. It's entirely possible that she loves all the songs, still enjoys playing them, but doesn't think they fit with this tour.
The alternative I was throwing at the dart board was that one or more tracks from the second album might be ones that she doesn't "dig" that much. I have no evidence for that assessment, and if someone in the know tells me it's not true, I won't protest.
But many of her AC interviews have suggested that the process of producing this album was free from the undue influence of a record company honcho (like the Tom Petty A&R man who can't hear a single) demanding certain types of songs for a make-or-break sophomore set. I infer from those statements that she did face that pressure in the past. If this inference is correct, then it's safe to ask whether any tunes ended up on Tamborurine to placate the Lost Highway machine.
As I said before, I'm not planning to ask her whether she's recorded any songs in the past that she believes just don't cut it. I just wondered if anyone else had ever asked that same question.
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Shug Posts:194

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| 05/07/2008 11:51 AM |
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Mitch, I think your question is a good one and your theory is also quite plausible, too. Not sure if it was song selection or just production/style that she may have received some pressure for, but I do know what you are talking about. One song from Tambourine, I forget which one, was co-written with someone else and I've never gotten the story on why that was done, because it seems rare for Tift to write with someone else. I don't think it would be offensive at all if you were to ask Tift about this, I hope you do and if so, please fill us in on her answers! My guess would be (but its only a guess) is that while she may not dig the style/production on some of the Tambourine songs, she probably doesn't have too many issues with the songs themselves. Take, for example, the live version of Morning Is My Destination from the Bramble Rose tour in Philly, October 2002. Its very slow and countrified with Greg Readling's pedal steel. The demo version that was on tm.com for awhile that was recorded in 2006 or 2007 (again with Greg on pedal steel) was a bit faster, but still slow and still sounded like a country ballad to me. The version from AC is sans pedal steel and alot faster and doesn't sound country at all to me. Same song as before, but she chose to record it in a very different style than previously, so it fits in well with the style and vibe of Another Country. Thanks for the stimulating discussion, Mitch! |
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Mack Daddy #7 "Some like their water shallow, I like mine deep" -Chris Robinson |
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robertaxel Posts:190

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| 05/07/2008 4:14 PM |
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I love this song.. it has Dylanesque imagery and rocks too.. especially live! Robert |
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pmcolt Posts:49
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| 05/09/2008 11:22 AM |
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| I can't add anything to the discussion, except that I personally love "Late Night Pilgrim". Especially on those occasions that I have it blaring through my car stereo speakers while driving down the interstate at three AM. I've never heard it live, though. |
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Robert Posts:26

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| 05/10/2008 7:14 AM |
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I saw LNP performed live the first time I saw Tift. The only problem I have with the song is I can't relate to it. I didn't know it had anything to do with oil speculation, I thought it was about a girl obsessed with a boyfriend who stayed out all night partying.
Tift did perform U-Turn in Atlanta. I was surprised cause I personally don't care for it. The only thing that keps me from hating U-Turn is that Tift sings it.
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“I don’t walk around thinking of myself as someone people would pay money to come see. I feel more like an awkward person who thinks bad thoughts, goofs up and struggles with my own feelings. Sometimes I resolve those struggles, sometimes I don’t, but fortunately,the universe seems to look after me.” -- tm |
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sdsalsero Posts:3
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| 05/11/2008 7:58 PM |
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Apparently the song is inspired by her grandfather who was an oil digger? But I don't think that's the point of the song. Instead I think it's about that feeling one gets late at night, that your whole life is a stuggle and you don't know where it's going. It's the same feeling I used to get when I'd be driving around in the middle of the night with no purpose. Fortunately I don't feel like that anymore but I sure used to.
As for it's paucity of recording and/or performance, if the two bootlegs on this site are any indication it's a tough song for her to sing. She struggles to hit the high notes on both these recordings including the acoustic version (where she doesn't have to sing above the other instruments). So maybe she's given-up on singing it? |
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Phillip Reid Posts:1581

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| 05/12/2008 6:44 AM |
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Good conjecture--it is high for her. So is Laid A Highway. So is GHM, for that matter. She may need to figure out some modified arrangements of those if she ever wants to re-add them to the set list. Lyrically, I think you're on the right track too. Like a lot of her songs, it started out with an external inspiration (her grandfather) and became something else before it was finished (more about her own experience, really, out there trying to do the music thing). |
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